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Fire Dept Tape Invalidates

Key Points Official 911 Story

By Robert Anderson (c) 2003

TOP_VIEW Internet News Inc.

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Most people -- or certainly many people, especially in the U.S. -- believe the complete structural failure and total collapse of the World Trade Center towers was caused by the combustion of large quantities of jet fuel, dispersed and ignited after "hijacked" jets crashed into each tower on Sept. 11, 2001. That is the scenario promulgated to the far corners of the globe by official U.S. government sources.

Interestingly, jet fuel -- somewhat similar to common kerosene and not much different than charcoal lighter fluid -- burns at roughly 875 degrees. Whether a little or a lot of fuel is burned, it still burns at roughly the same temperature. Now: Think about all the kerosene burning in all those kerosene heaters (and lanterns), constructed primarily of thin, low-grade, steel sheet metal. Think about all those kerosene heaters burning merrily away, with temperatures perhaps approaching 875 degrees at the hottest. Think about how parts of all those kerosene heaters would then turn into bubbling pools of melted steel before the horrified eyes of countless poor souls who had no idea the fuel used in their heaters would actually "MELT" the heaters themselves.

Of course, this does NOT happen -- which gives us a pretty good idea that what had been sold far and wide by the U.S. government and innumerable media outlets as the "cause" of the trade center towers' collapse is in fact absolute fiction and fantasy, without the slightest shred of scientific fact or collaborative evidence and testimony to support such monstrous and utter nonsense. Hardened steel such as that used in the WTC beams and girders needs temperatures of approximately TWENTY-EIGHT HUNDRED (2,800) degrees to actually melt, and temperatures approaching 2,000 degrees to turn bright red and soften,

The official version of the collapse of the WTC towers is -- again -- that burning jet fuel eventually melted or liquefied the massive and seriously hard steel beams of the WTC tower(s), to the point where the beams all gave way, unilaterally and simultaneously throughout both the gigantic structures and causing their total and nearly instantaneous collapse. Well, if such doesn't happen with kerosene heaters, you can bet it doesn't happen to huge steel-beamed buildings -- and indeed it never has; especially when the fires which supposedly "caused" such total structural failure had in fact long since largely burned themselves out.

In fact, nearly a year after the monumental and treacherous catastrophe which struck lower Manhattan on Sept. 11, 2001, an audio tape of firefighter communications was finally released -- which proves that the actual conditions at and near the point of impact in the north WTC tower only moments before the building's collapse were totally inconsistent with the conditions which had to have existed for the official version to be even minimally correct.

Firefighters who had reached the eightieth floor of the north tower reported they were eyewitnesses to fact much of the fire caused by burning jet fuel had by then largely burned out, although some burning and smoldering areas still remained. Not once did firefighters on site at " ground zero" of ground zero indicate the slightest concern that fires were still burning at an intensity which threatened their own or others' safety -- certainly not that conditions were so severe that the very integrity of the entire structure itself was threatened! On the contrary: they indicated that conditions were controllable: that they planned to conduct survivors safely out of the building, and to then bring in equipment and personnel to extinguish any remaining burning/smoldering areas.

And what, exactly, does all this mean? It means that the total structural failure of the two massive, superbly-engineered/designed edifices known as the WTC towers did NOT result from jet fuel flash-fires burning at under 900 degrees Fahrenheit -- when steel used in WTC construction needed temperatures over THREE TIMES HIGHER to actually "MELT."

And THIS means that the towers were in fact toppled by use of BOMBS or similar methods.

And THIS means that a stupendously far-reaching conspiracy and cover-up -- involving the highest levels of US government -- lies behind the 9-11 "attacks on America".

by Robert Anderson

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http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/09/nyregion/09TOWE.html?ex=1059105600&en=3a84112d9c0719b9&ei=5070

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/09/nyregion/09TOWE.html?ex=1059105600&en=3a84112d9c0719b9&ei=5070

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/09/nyregion/09TAPE.html?ex=1059105600&en=dc9c7f7df4341393&ei=5070

 

-- 'Nowhere on the tape is there any indication that firefighters had the slightest indication that the tower had become unstable or that it could fall.' --

-- ' "Just two hose lines to attack two isolated pockets of fire." "We should be able to knock it down with two lines," he tells the firefighters of Ladder Company 15 who were following him up the stairs of the doomed tower.' --

 

 

Fire Department Tape Reveals No Awareness of Imminent Doom 

 

By KEVIN FLYNN and JIM DWYER 

The voices, captured on a tape of Fire Department radio transmissions, betray no fear. The words are matter-of-fact.

Two hose lines are needed, Chief Orio Palmer says from an upper floor of the badly damaged south tower at the World Trade Center.

Lt. Joseph G. Leavey is heard responding: "Orio, we're on 78, but we're in the B stairway. Trapped in here. We got to put some fire out to get to you."

Ladder 15 had finally found the fire after an arduous climb to the 78th floor, according to the tape. They were in the B stairwell. On the other side of the fire were hundreds of people, blocked from fleeing by smoke and flame on the stairs. Chief Palmer was facing similar fires in the A stairwell, across the floor.

"We're gonna knock down some fire here in the B Stair," Lieutenant Leavey is heard telling one of his firefighters. "We'll meet up with you. You get over to the A Stair and help out Chief Palmer."

The time was 9:56 a.m. The firefighters had just arrived at a place where, 54 minutes earlier, many people had been waiting for elevators when the second plane came crashing through the building. Now Chief Palmer and Ladder 15 were surrounded by the wounded whom they hoped to evacuate.

Like the cockpit voice recorder from a downed jetliner, this tape, discovered in an adjacent building several weeks after Sept. 11, is providing a glimpse into unseen corners of the tragedy and the resolute advance of firefighters as they encountered the largest catastrophe of their lives.

The 78-minute tape, which was found in a room at 5 World Trade Center where radio transmissions were monitored, is the only known audiotape of firefighters at the scene. In recent months, officials of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which maintained the recording system, have allowed fire officials and family members to listen to it. It was not publicly released, however, until this week. The release came after federal prosecutors, responding to a court motion by The New York Times, said that making it public would not interfere with the prosecution of terrorists.

Officials from the Port Authority and the Fire Department are still debating what the tape tells them about the breakdowns in radio communication that day. There are several long stretches of silence on the tape. Transmissions from only a few of the companies that operated in the south tower are recorded. A few additional snippets of conversation can be heard from firefighters in the north tower, where radios using the same frequency were also monitored.

But sections of the tape provide vivid images of the firefighters: the breathless voice of Chief Palmer, a marathon runner, after dashing up dozens of flights; the assurances from firefighters to him that they are coming on his heels; the effort to create a medical staging area for the wounded on the 40th floor.

At several points in the tape, fire commanders can be heard speaking with urgency. A commander alerts a colleague that he needs more companies to handle what he is facing in the south tower. The chiefs discuss the need to get more elevators into service, to carry firefighters up and to transport the injured back down.

But nowhere on the tape is there any indication that firefighters had the slightest indication that the tower had become unstable or that it could fall.

"Chief, I'm going to stop on 44," Stephen Belson, an aide to Chief Palmer, tells him at 9:25 as he ascends.

"Take your time," the chief responds.

A half-hour later, the tape reveals, firefighters from Ladder 15 had loaded 10 injured people into an elevator and begun a descent to the lobby. Down below, fire commanders were waiting, hoping to use that elevator, the only working one in the building, to ferry additional firefighters back up to the heavily damaged floors. But suddenly the elevator stopped, according to the tape.

"You're going to have to get a different elevator," a firefighter from Ladder 15 says over the radio. "We're chopping through the wall to get out."

A few seconds later, at 9:58 a.m., Chief Palmer tries to raise someone from the ladder company. "Battalion 7 to Ladder 15," he calls.

But the tape remains silent.

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For well over a year, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey refused to release the audiotape of firefighters' communications from the World Trade Center during the September 11 attacks. In early November 2002, the tape was released to the New York Times, then to other unspecified "news outlets" (according to the Associated Press). To my knowledge, the NYT is the only outlet to post excerpts from the tape; no one has yet posted the entire thing.

Below are transcripts of all portions that have been released. You can listen to them at the NYT's site by going to this page. In the right hand column is a box labeled "Multimedia." Inside it, click on "Interactive Feature: The Tale of the Tape."

[read "9/11 Tape Raised Added Questions on Radio Failures" and "Fire Department Tape Reveals No Awareness of Imminent Doom"]

  

9:25 a.m.

 

Ladder 15: "Go ahead, Irons."

 

Ladder 15 Irons: "Just got a report from the director of Morgan Stanley. Seventy-eight seems to have taken the brunt of this stuff, there's a lot of bodies, they say the stairway is clear all the way up, though."

 

Ladder 15: "Alright, ten-four Scott. What, what floor are you on?"

 

Ladder 15 Irons: "Forty-eight right now."

 

Ladder 15: "Alright, we're coming up behind you."

 

 

9:31 a.m.

 

Battalion Seven Aide: "Battalion Seven, you want me to relay?"

 

Ladder 15: "Yeah, Steve tell Chief Palmer they got reports that there's more planes in the area, we may have to back down here."

 

Battalion Seven Aide: "Ten-four."

 

"Seven Alpha to Seven."

 

Battalion Seven: "Steve. Seven to Seven Alpha."

 

Ladder 15: "Fifteen to 15 Roof."

 

"Fifteen Roof."

 

Ladder 15: "We got reports of another incoming plane. We may have to take cover. Stay in the stairwell."

 

Ladder 15 Roof: "Ten-four."

 

Ladder 15: "Fifteen to 15 Roof. That plane's ours. I repeat. It's ours. What floor are you on, Scotty?"

 

Ladder 15 Roof: "Fifty-four."

 

Ladder 15: "Alright. Keep making your way up. We're behind you."

 

Ladder 15 Roof: "Ten-four."

 

 

9:37 a.m.

 

Ladder 15 Lieutenant: "Tommy, listen carefully. I'm sending all the injured down to you on 40. You're going to have to get'em down to the elevator. There's about 10 to 15 people coming down to you."

 

Ladder 15 Firefighter: "Okay."

 

Ladder 15 Lieutenant: "Ten civilians coming down. Fifteen to OV."

 

Ladder 15 Firefighter: "Got that, I'm on 40 right now, Lieu."

 

9:39 a.m.

 

Ladder 15 Lieutenant: "Alright Tommy, when you take people down to the lobby, try to get an EMS crew back."

 

Ladder 15 Firefighter: "Definitely."

 

 

9:43 a.m.

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Ladder 15 Roof, what's your progress?"

 

Ladder 15 Roof: "Sixty-three, Battalion."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four."

 

Battaltion Nine Chief: "Battalion Nine to Battalion Seven."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "Go ahead Battaltion Nine."

 

Battalion Nine Chief: "Orio, I couldn't find a bank to bring you up any highter. I'm on the 40th floor, what can I do for you?"

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "We're going to have to hoof it. I'm on 69 now, but we need a higher bank, kay."

 

Battalion Nine Chief: "What stairway you in Orio?"

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "The center of the building, boy, boy."

 

"Tac One to Tac One Alpha."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Ladder 15 Roof, what floor?"

 

Battalion Nine Chief: "Battalion Nine to Battalion Seven."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "...Battalion Nine."

 

Battalion Nine Chief: "Orio, I'm going to try and get a couple of CFRD engines on the 40th floor so send any victims down here, I'll start up a staging area."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "...find a fireman service elevator close to 40, if we get some more cars in that bank, we'll be alright."

 

 

9:48 a.m.

 

Ladder 15: "Battalion Fifteen to Battalion Seven."

 

Battalion Seven: "Go Ladder 15."

 

Ladder 15: "What do you got up there, Chief?"

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "I'm still in boy stair 74th floor. No smoke or fire problems, walls are breached, so be careful."

 

Ladder 15: "Yeah Ten-Four, I saw that on 68. Alright, we're on 71 we're coming up behind you."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four. Six more to go."

 

Ladder 15: "Let me know when you see more fire."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "I found a marshall on 75."

 

 

9:49 a.m.

 

Ladder 15: "Fifteen to 15 OV. Fifteen to 15 OV.

 

"Fifteen OV."

 

Ladder 15: "Tommy, have you made it back down to the lobbby yet?"

 

Ladder 15 OV: "The elevator's screwed up."

 

Ladder 15: "You can't move it?"

 

Ladder 15 OV: "I don't want to get stuck in the shaft."

 

9:50 a.m.

 

Ladder 15: "Alright Tommy. It's imperative that you go down to the lobby command post and get some people up to 40. We got injured people up here on 70. If you make it to the lobby command post see if they can somehow get elevators past the 40th floor. We got people injured all the way up here."

 

Battalion Seven Aide: "Battaltion Seven Alpha to Seven."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "Go Steve."

 

Battalion Seven Aide: "Yeah Chief, I'm on 55, I got to rest. I'll try to get up there as soon as possible."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four."

 

 

9:50 a.m.

 

"Anybody see the highway one car? Highway one car we need it for an escort to the hospital for a fireman."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Ladder 15."

 

"15 Irons."

 

Ladder 15: "Fifteen to 15 Roof and Irons."

 

Battalion Six Chief: "Battalion Six to command post."

 

9:52 a.m.

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Battalion Seven Alpha."

 

"Freddie, come on over. Freddie, come on over by us."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

 

Ladder 15: "What stair are you in, Orio?"

 

Battalion Seven Aide: "Seven Alpha to lobby command post."

 

Ladder Fifteen: "Fifteen to Battalion Seven."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "... Ladder 15."

 

Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?"

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "South stairway Adam, South Tower."

 

Ladder 15: "Floor 78?"

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here."

 

Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're on our way."

 

 

9:52 a.m.

 

Battalion Seven Aide: "Seven Alpha for Battalion Seven."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "South tower, Steve, south tower, tell them...Tower one. Battalion Seven to Ladder 15.

 

"Fifteen."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "I'm going to need two of your firefighters Adam stairway to knock down two fires. We have a house line stretched we could use some water on it, knock it down, kay."

 

Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're coming up the stairs. We're on 77 now in the B stair, I'll be right to you."

 

Ladder 15 Roof: "Fifteen Roof to 15. We're on 71. We're coming right up."

 

 

9:57 a.m.

 

"Division 3 ... lobby command, to the Fieldcom command post."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "Operations Tower One to floor above Battalion Nine."

 

Battalion Nine Chief: "Battalion Nine to command post."

 

Battalion Seven Operations Tower One: "Battalion Seven Operations Tower One to Battalion Nine, need you on floor above 79. We have access stairs going up to 79, kay."

 

Battalion Nine: "Alright, I'm on my way up Orio."

 

Ladder 15 OV: "Fifteen OV to Fifteen."

 

Ladder 15: "Go ahead Fifteen OV, Battalion Seven Operations Tower One."

 

Ladder 15 OV: "Stuck in the elevator, in the elevator shaft, you're going to have to get a difference elevator. We're chopping through the wall to get out."

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "Radio lobby command with that Tower One."

 

9:58 a.m.

 

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Ladder 15."

 

(END OF TAPE)

   

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RESPONSE (A more detailed response will be added later)

 

Paper burns at 459 degrees Fahrenheit, but that is only its ignition temperature.  A purely normal house fire of everyday combustibles reaches temperatures anywhere from 1200 to 2000 degrees Fahrenheit in an oxygen reduced environment.  With full ventilation such as occurred in the Twin Towers, the temperature can reach higher levels because of the increased oxygen supply.  To say that jet fuel burns at 875 degrees and this is as hot as it burns is speaking from total ignorance.  That is merely the temperature at which it ignites.  It actually burns much hotter than that.  The temperature of the fire is determined by the amount of oxygen present.  There was a lot of oxygen present in the towers because they were punctured and wind was blowing through them.

 

The article states that the fire was mostly out.  This is a totally incorrect assessment of what is on the tapes.  It is also indicative of a lack of knowledge and understanding of what takes place in a fire.  Visual evidence also belies this statement.  Review the many videos of the fire and collapse.  Both buildings were still heavily involved with major and massive fires on numerous floors. 

 

Steel is known in the fire department to collapse early and without warning in structural fires, especially when a heavy fire load is impinging on a structural support.  The collapse of the towers was unexpected, sudden, and due to the structural damage of the impact of the jets, the exceedingly heavy fire load that the structure was not designed for, and possibly a faulty design.  No bombs exploded and caused the collapse.

 

While we all grieve for our fellow brothers in the fire department, we must be sure that we don't run after ghosts in the pursuit of finding a hidden conspiracy.  Better yet, let us pursue those who had prior knowledge in the true conspiracy, but failed to act.  Chasing after ghosts in the ruins of the towers will not yield us answers, but instead will divert our time, energy, and effort from the true perpetrators.  Disinformation agents want us to look to the sudden collapse of the towers instead of elsewhere.

 

Analyze the remains of the towers to see if it will help for future structural integrity, but forget about finding explosives as the cause of the collapse.  That is a false demon.

I salute my fallen brothers.                

 

 

Kirt R. Poovey

Former firefighter

 

 



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